1 00:00:12,330 --> 00:00:17,210 XPW was known for being crazy. It's what it was. It was extreme pro wrestling. 2 00:00:17,910 --> 00:00:24,030 We did death matches. That was life and kill. I was a porn star living the dream 3 00:00:24,030 --> 00:00:24,869 of a wrestler. 4 00:00:24,870 --> 00:00:30,630 If we could degrade people and entertain people, let's do it. In 1999, porn 5 00:00:30,630 --> 00:00:35,730 filmmaker Rob Black combined his passion for violent death matches and the 6 00:00:35,730 --> 00:00:38,070 spirit of his provocative adult films. 7 00:00:39,690 --> 00:00:43,910 to realize his dream promotion, extreme pro wrestling. 8 00:00:44,190 --> 00:00:46,190 XBW was a labor of love for Rob. 9 00:00:46,510 --> 00:00:47,830 He wanted it to work. 10 00:00:48,410 --> 00:00:54,390 In order to become America's top hardcore wrestling outfit, 11 00:00:54,750 --> 00:00:59,850 XBW celebrated those who performed increasingly dangerous stunts. 12 00:01:00,430 --> 00:01:03,670 But then you want to come out there and put a gun in somebody's mouth and blow 13 00:01:03,670 --> 00:01:05,590 the back of their brains out? How did you? 14 00:01:06,510 --> 00:01:07,570 But that's what it would take. 15 00:01:08,380 --> 00:01:12,500 Rob Black had no appreciation for wrestling because he had no clue about 16 00:01:12,500 --> 00:01:15,300 wrestling. Rob always thought of himself as like a mafia guy. 17 00:01:15,700 --> 00:01:20,120 Can't leave. No one leaves the family. When the violence in the ring bleeds out 18 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:25,340 into real life, Rob Black's command over a legion of young wrestlers begins to 19 00:01:25,340 --> 00:01:31,840 crumble as mounting legal bills force his wrestling and porn empires to 20 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,020 I don't remember the pain of it because I was going in the shop. 21 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:36,240 It got real dark. 22 00:01:36,540 --> 00:01:42,600 after that dumbass like what were we thinking we just we weren't rob knew 23 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:47,440 how to push he said how far can i go we're known for all the taboo stuff that 24 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,680 everyone said you can't do and we do it and he just pushed a little too far 25 00:02:05,420 --> 00:02:06,420 Sweaty balls. 26 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,120 They're big. 27 00:02:09,620 --> 00:02:10,620 They're not hairy. 28 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:12,240 They're smooth. 29 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:18,180 What? Are you surprised that Rob doesn't want to be a part of this episode? 30 00:02:19,660 --> 00:02:22,480 Honestly, I think it's a no -win situation for him. I really do. 31 00:02:23,260 --> 00:02:26,420 It's probably better that he doesn't say anything, you know? 32 00:02:26,700 --> 00:02:30,020 But he's the type of guy where he wouldn't want to be part of somebody 33 00:02:30,020 --> 00:02:31,400 production and somebody else's project. 34 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,120 If you can't hold court and you're just going to sit in a chair and get asked 35 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,640 questions, that's just not Rob. 36 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,840 So for people who don't know, who is Rob Black? 37 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:46,060 Okay, I'm ready. 38 00:02:47,740 --> 00:02:48,780 I'm Jessica Darling. 39 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,920 I was part of XPW for about two years. Look at that! 40 00:02:53,180 --> 00:02:57,500 And I was also Extreme Associates contract girl for almost four. 41 00:02:58,900 --> 00:03:01,520 Rob Black is someone, you love him. 42 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:02,859 Or you hate him. 43 00:03:02,860 --> 00:03:09,480 I can do whatever I want. I own this company, and you don't. Rob Black is, 44 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:12,440 in wrestling terms, the ultimate heel. 45 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:18,540 He is a wrestling owner, promoter, and he had been in the adult film business 46 00:03:18,540 --> 00:03:19,540 his whole life. 47 00:03:19,620 --> 00:03:23,220 Keep your arms back, because I'm going to go in with the camera. 48 00:03:23,540 --> 00:03:26,380 He was doing stuff like today would be the norm. 49 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:32,860 gaping buttholes and pissing and puking and really wild sex he was doing it when 50 00:03:32,860 --> 00:03:37,940 no one else did and that's who we were we wanted to be the bad boy i do what i 51 00:03:37,940 --> 00:03:44,700 want because i'm the owner's wife lizzie was a adult film actress and 52 00:03:44,700 --> 00:03:49,460 she came to extreme started dating rob what are you doing cut 53 00:03:55,690 --> 00:03:59,070 She became his girlfriend, and she was done with the business. She didn't 54 00:03:59,070 --> 00:04:03,690 perform. Like, she directed and produced, and she was part of porn, but 55 00:04:03,690 --> 00:04:04,890 on the other side of it. 56 00:04:06,380 --> 00:04:11,240 In addition to his penchant for subversive pornography, Rob Black is 57 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,200 with the underworld of hardcore wrestling and eventually strikes a 58 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,899 relationship with Extreme Championship Wrestling's revolutionary founder, Paul 59 00:04:19,899 --> 00:04:22,380 Heyman. ECW was a big party. 60 00:04:22,780 --> 00:04:29,240 We had fun. We got high. We did drugs. We had a 61 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,180 ball. I am New Jack, the original gangster. 62 00:04:33,950 --> 00:04:39,010 What Paulie brought to the table was a group of guys that did our thing, and we 63 00:04:39,010 --> 00:04:40,030 had a good time doing it. 64 00:04:41,350 --> 00:04:48,050 What I remember about the Rob Black -Paul Heyman relationship was 65 00:04:48,050 --> 00:04:52,990 Rob wanted to bring ECW to the West Coast, and there was arrangements to do 66 00:04:52,990 --> 00:04:53,909 that. 67 00:04:53,910 --> 00:04:58,890 I'm David Marquez. I was the producer and director of the XPW television show. 68 00:04:59,260 --> 00:05:02,340 Welcome to another edition of XPW TV. 69 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:08,200 But when ECW got their network deal, it was kind of, why do we need Rob? So that 70 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:13,100 all went out the window. Rob was extremely upset about that. And to spite 71 00:05:13,140 --> 00:05:19,060 that's how you get XPW. Because me and WCW have a common hatred. 72 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,220 And that's for that son of a bitch Paul Heyman back on the East Coast. 73 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:28,100 That's what set Rob Black off, where I'm going to make this better than ECW. I'm 74 00:05:28,100 --> 00:05:29,420 going to do this in spite of you. 75 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,960 I'm Joey Chaos, the rock superstar of XPW and the owner of Santino Brothers 76 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,580 Wrestling in Los Angeles, California. 77 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:44,800 I wasn't a huge wrestling fan growing up. I was a huge fan of my 78 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:45,800 uncle Supreme. 79 00:05:46,100 --> 00:05:50,200 He is like a godfather of deathmatch wrestling, and that is his legacy. 80 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,940 Because he's the one that loves professional wrestling. I just tagged 81 00:05:56,940 --> 00:05:58,540 because I love my uncle. 82 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,780 And I remember Uncle Supreme telling me, hey, so you know that there's this 83 00:06:03,780 --> 00:06:06,540 porno wrestling happening. 84 00:06:07,180 --> 00:06:08,180 Porno wrestling? 85 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,240 Is it going to be wrestling or porn? What is it? 86 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:18,640 I walked in the office, and I believe Rob just looked at me and said, I now 87 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,900 a wrestling company, and you're now going to ballet. 88 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:25,140 So it was a crazy dynamic. 89 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,980 You would have girls having sex in the office doing scenes. We also had the 90 00:06:29,980 --> 00:06:30,980 in the back. 91 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,840 So guys going around, they'd be wrestling with girls with no clothes on 92 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:38,860 come all over them. It was definitely an eye opener working in there. 93 00:06:39,620 --> 00:06:43,960 My name is Sylvia Munoz on the wrestling circuit. I'm Jez Bell Romo, but at XPW, 94 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,500 I was the merch girl or the extreme bitch. 95 00:06:47,330 --> 00:06:50,910 It was almost a joy to see people in clothes. That was more of a turn on than 96 00:06:50,910 --> 00:06:54,290 seeing all the tits, ass, dicks. And, you know, then you had like one of the 97 00:06:54,290 --> 00:06:57,070 porn guys there and he's sitting there and he's talking to you and he's like, 98 00:06:57,130 --> 00:07:00,470 hey, so how's your wrestling scene and how's this and how's that? And I'm just 99 00:07:00,470 --> 00:07:03,910 like, what are you doing? He's like, oh, I'm just getting ready for a scene. You 100 00:07:03,910 --> 00:07:04,909 know, I've got to stay hard. 101 00:07:04,910 --> 00:07:06,330 And it was just that casual. 102 00:07:06,570 --> 00:07:08,570 I remember walking in and going to training. 103 00:07:08,870 --> 00:07:13,690 This chick was in the pool eating chicken while the guy was peeing on her 104 00:07:13,690 --> 00:07:16,090 they're filming it. And I'm like, what is this shit? 105 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,540 I guess there was people that wanted to see it because it was funding XBW. I 106 00:07:20,540 --> 00:07:27,420 remember leaving my desk, going into the cafeteria, and there being a woman 107 00:07:27,420 --> 00:07:33,440 dressed up as the Statue of Liberty and three guys with presidential masks on 108 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:38,300 partaking in the filming of a scene on the lunch table. 109 00:07:40,010 --> 00:07:43,930 My name is Mike Hartsfield, and I'm a former live event producer for Extreme 110 00:07:43,930 --> 00:07:49,370 Wrestling. A lot of us would work our nine -hour day and then stay another six 111 00:07:49,370 --> 00:07:50,510 or seven or eight hours. 112 00:07:51,450 --> 00:07:53,470 There were nights I slept in the ring. 113 00:07:54,350 --> 00:07:58,410 In order to get paid for wrestling, I had to edit porn. 114 00:07:59,090 --> 00:08:04,330 Not that I was against it. It's just that the subject matter was so offensive 115 00:08:04,330 --> 00:08:09,190 times. Here I am, an Emmy Award -winning news guy, editing fossil. 116 00:08:14,190 --> 00:08:19,330 I think a lot of the extreme girls saw me as like a, I hate to use this 117 00:08:19,430 --> 00:08:21,250 but like a new puppy or something like that. 118 00:08:22,130 --> 00:08:23,130 And it was awesome. 119 00:08:23,750 --> 00:08:24,850 It was awesome. 120 00:08:25,950 --> 00:08:29,870 My name is William Welch, and in XPW, my gimmick was the Messiah. 121 00:08:30,550 --> 00:08:34,669 The first Battle Royal I ever was part of, why trash Johnny Webb gave me the 122 00:08:34,669 --> 00:08:37,990 chair shot, and I took it square in the head, didn't put my hands up. 123 00:08:38,270 --> 00:08:41,650 I was told that Rob liked the fact that I didn't put my hands up. 124 00:08:41,870 --> 00:08:47,590 I mean, it looked like an ECW chair shot. And as he walks by me, he goes, 125 00:08:47,590 --> 00:08:48,489 up, Jesus? 126 00:08:48,490 --> 00:08:49,490 I went, what? 127 00:08:50,570 --> 00:08:53,270 I was going to be called the Savior or the Messiah. 128 00:08:54,450 --> 00:08:58,210 And between the two, I could care less because I think they both stink. 129 00:08:58,510 --> 00:09:00,190 But it's way better than Jesus. 130 00:09:01,010 --> 00:09:03,210 The Messiah has returned. 131 00:09:06,310 --> 00:09:10,010 At the time, I was working at a steakhouse. 132 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,780 And I'd show up to work with gig marks on my head from bleeding, and they would 133 00:09:15,780 --> 00:09:16,780 send me home. 134 00:09:18,020 --> 00:09:20,080 Like, you can't be around customers looking like that. 135 00:09:20,380 --> 00:09:22,360 It looks like something out of a horror movie. 136 00:09:23,140 --> 00:09:28,940 Si was the big dog in XPW. He held two belts at one time, you know? So now I 137 00:09:28,940 --> 00:09:31,740 my guardian angel, Mr. 138 00:09:35,420 --> 00:09:40,320 XPW. I think it was drinking the Kool -Aid that Rob was serving. 139 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:45,100 Whether it's brainwashing or whatever the case is, and we were brainwashed. 140 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:50,320 I mean, there wasn't one guy on that roster who didn't bust their ass for 141 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:51,320 company. 142 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,360 I mean, some of the things I've seen, I don't know why they would do it, but 143 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:58,360 they did it. 144 00:09:59,500 --> 00:10:05,060 In the long run, it was really, really stupid to do a lot of those dumb things 145 00:10:05,060 --> 00:10:06,060 that we did. 146 00:10:06,980 --> 00:10:08,260 My name is Luke Hawks. 147 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,460 In XPW, I went by Alter Boy Luke. 148 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:16,380 I did a 450 off the balcony through a table with thumbtacks with Supreme on 149 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:22,260 The thumbtacks had actually broke off into my hand, and I had to use pliers to 150 00:10:22,260 --> 00:10:23,620 pull the thumbtacks out. 151 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,260 It was always, okay, now what can you do next? 152 00:10:27,500 --> 00:10:28,640 How can you top it? 153 00:10:30,090 --> 00:10:35,630 We want to do this fire spot, so we sent a ring crew guy to get some lighter 154 00:10:35,630 --> 00:10:38,650 fluid, and it turns out he got charcoal fluid. 155 00:10:38,870 --> 00:10:42,650 Which is oil -based, regular lighter fluid. It's alcohol -based, so it burns 156 00:10:42,650 --> 00:10:46,790 quick. And it starts pulling up on this table, and they put the flame, and it 157 00:10:46,790 --> 00:10:48,270 just goes out. 158 00:10:48,950 --> 00:10:52,050 We know what the image should look like, and it's not happening. 159 00:10:52,570 --> 00:10:57,010 So she keeps doing it, and then we get this good flame, and they go for the 160 00:10:57,010 --> 00:10:58,010 spot. 161 00:11:01,450 --> 00:11:04,930 Since there was so much fluid, his shirt got soaked. 162 00:11:05,230 --> 00:11:06,230 It was horrible. 163 00:11:06,690 --> 00:11:08,210 It was absolutely horrible. 164 00:11:10,030 --> 00:11:13,290 He was running around the ring, screaming, I don't blame him. 165 00:11:15,130 --> 00:11:20,330 And I saw Chaos pinning Supreme and lifting up, and part of Supreme's skin 166 00:11:20,330 --> 00:11:23,850 Chaos. And it was just, it was pretty traumatic. 167 00:11:25,350 --> 00:11:27,110 I went straight to the hospital. 168 00:11:27,710 --> 00:11:31,430 And I remember going upstairs to go see my Uncle Supreme all wrapped up. 169 00:11:32,790 --> 00:11:36,770 And I remember him saying, damn, that was a good match. That spot. 170 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,800 Like, that was like his response. 171 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:45,240 The roster's willingness to sacrifice themselves on a nightly basis, along 172 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:50,880 tantalizing appearances of crossover porn stars, made XPW an instant hit with 173 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:51,819 local fans. 174 00:11:51,820 --> 00:11:57,320 In response, ECW stages their first ever live show in Los Angeles. 175 00:11:58,340 --> 00:12:02,980 Rob Black always had this, I'm a mafia mentality. 176 00:12:03,500 --> 00:12:06,620 So in his mind, ECW is coming into our territory. 177 00:12:06,820 --> 00:12:07,960 Because you're in our backyard. 178 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,700 Why? Why, Paul Heyman? They're coming to, like, kind of shut us up. In 179 00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:18,200 retaliation, Rob Black orders his ring crew to distribute XPW flyers at the 180 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,680 event and has his top talent sit ringside to attempt a disrupting 181 00:12:23,060 --> 00:12:25,400 Rob Black, he can get you to go to war for him. 182 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,340 100%. He had that ability to get you to say... 183 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,020 Dude, we're going to die for you. We'll die right here at Heat Wave for you, 184 00:12:32,060 --> 00:12:34,520 brother. Like, let's do it. Die for the cause. 185 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,900 Sitting in the front row, and then the main event comes on. 186 00:12:39,180 --> 00:12:43,800 So I turn to the hard camp, and I throw the X symbol, like, this is it. 187 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:51,260 Security just mobs us. Just grab my neck like with the gorilla paws. 188 00:12:51,820 --> 00:12:53,880 We're getting thrown out of this building. 189 00:12:57,550 --> 00:13:01,130 They close the doors, and it's quiet. 190 00:13:02,130 --> 00:13:05,170 There's all this ruckus, and it's just quiet. 191 00:13:07,010 --> 00:13:08,310 And we're like, where is everybody? 192 00:13:09,830 --> 00:13:14,710 Meanwhile, on the other side of the arena, the XPW ring crew is not so 193 00:13:14,970 --> 00:13:16,350 We beat the f*** out of them. 194 00:13:17,190 --> 00:13:21,550 I had just had surgery on my leg, so I hit somebody in the face with a crutch. 195 00:13:21,690 --> 00:13:24,590 The guy came up, he was like, New Jack, we don't want no trouble. I was like, 196 00:13:24,610 --> 00:13:25,610 Jack, wobble. 197 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,120 You don't have to scream. You don't have to Messiah. 198 00:13:29,460 --> 00:13:33,500 You don't have to kick ass. You go after a couple of 140 pound ring crew guys. 199 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:40,180 That's what you do because your company and you are a piece of shit. And us 200 00:13:40,180 --> 00:13:47,080 and XPW are going to flush you the pieces right down the toilet. I straight 201 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,120 told Joey, I straight up told him this was stupid. 202 00:13:49,540 --> 00:13:53,360 And in the back of my mind, I'm also thinking Rob Black was supposed to be 203 00:13:55,340 --> 00:13:56,340 Where is he? 204 00:14:01,860 --> 00:14:08,760 In April 2001, financial ruin forces ECW to fold, allowing rival promoter 205 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:14,300 Rob Black to welcome their top talent into XPW's growing empire of extreme. 206 00:14:14,890 --> 00:14:18,110 Everything that Rob Black said, like, happened, you know, to be honest with 207 00:14:18,330 --> 00:14:22,370 To his credit, like, I'm going to bring in Thabu. I'm going to bring in Shane 208 00:14:22,370 --> 00:14:23,630 Douglas. And we're like, yeah, right. 209 00:14:23,910 --> 00:14:27,550 And then he'd bring this guy in. And we're like, Jesus, this is real. 210 00:14:28,630 --> 00:14:30,950 Wait for a second. We got Terry Funk. I mean, we were big. 211 00:14:31,170 --> 00:14:33,810 Terry Funk's got that. We made it. 212 00:14:34,090 --> 00:14:38,610 Do you remember how he explained his vision for what XPW was going to be? It 213 00:14:38,610 --> 00:14:40,490 going to be ECW on steroids. 214 00:14:41,450 --> 00:14:42,450 That's what he said. 215 00:14:42,850 --> 00:14:43,850 Wait a minute. 216 00:14:44,910 --> 00:14:46,610 I laughed and I said, let's do it. 217 00:14:47,390 --> 00:14:48,390 I'm Sabu. 218 00:14:48,670 --> 00:14:52,850 After I left ECW, Rob Black called me up. Then I go out there and I find out 219 00:14:52,850 --> 00:14:53,890 it's a half a porn company. 220 00:14:54,190 --> 00:14:57,830 Sabu is here in XPW, ladies and gentlemen. 221 00:14:58,170 --> 00:14:59,170 It's Sabu. 222 00:14:59,490 --> 00:15:04,410 You know, and then he got like Candido, Cronus, and New Jack. What you consider 223 00:15:04,410 --> 00:15:07,730 a wrestling ring, I consider a killing field. 224 00:15:08,010 --> 00:15:08,969 A few other guys. 225 00:15:08,970 --> 00:15:11,690 So it started to look like a reject ECW. 226 00:15:13,830 --> 00:15:17,990 Did Paulie or any of your other ECW guys give you shit for doing this XPW stuff? 227 00:15:18,470 --> 00:15:19,530 What they gonna say to me? 228 00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:25,370 I ain't gonna fuck about Paulie or nobody, you know what I mean? I ain't 229 00:15:25,370 --> 00:15:26,370 fuck about them motherfuckers. 230 00:15:26,470 --> 00:15:28,410 I got to make you money. I got to eat. 231 00:15:29,750 --> 00:15:30,750 And get some porn. 232 00:15:34,090 --> 00:15:40,910 Well, what we have here is our warehouse, which houses all of our 233 00:15:40,910 --> 00:15:41,910 pornography. 234 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,120 He was like, Jack, get whatever you want. 235 00:15:46,900 --> 00:15:51,960 I was driving the Portland around, going up to get my point, and I was shit 236 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:52,960 -blocking them. 237 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,900 I swear to God, I had over a thousand DVDs. 238 00:16:00,740 --> 00:16:05,980 Despite the demise of his main competitor, Rob continues to escalate 239 00:16:05,980 --> 00:16:09,500 violence in XPW to disturbing new extremes. 240 00:16:10,260 --> 00:16:11,380 There was a show. 241 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,720 where I was wrestling Supreme and Angel. 242 00:16:14,940 --> 00:16:16,020 Down goes Supreme! 243 00:16:16,380 --> 00:16:19,540 And I put my hand up in the chair, it smacks me, and it looks brutal. Like, he 244 00:16:19,540 --> 00:16:20,540 kills me with the chair. 245 00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:27,820 As soon as we get to the back dressing room, Rob Black's in the back, and he's 246 00:16:27,820 --> 00:16:30,400 going, This is f***ing XPW! 247 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,540 We don't put our f***ing hands up! We don't do it! And, like, he's, like, 248 00:16:34,540 --> 00:16:39,400 yelling at me. And I'm going, wait, did I do something wrong? Because I was 249 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,120 always taught, you know, to... 250 00:16:41,390 --> 00:16:42,770 Put my hand up for a chair shot. 251 00:16:43,210 --> 00:16:44,310 Don't stick your neck out. 252 00:16:44,510 --> 00:16:48,290 So Jerry Lynn pulls me aside. He goes, don't listen to a thing. He says he has 253 00:16:48,290 --> 00:16:51,230 no clue what he's talking about. You did it right. You protected yourself. It 254 00:16:51,230 --> 00:16:51,969 looked great. 255 00:16:51,970 --> 00:16:56,810 What I didn't know was behind the scenes that Rob, the next show, was going to 256 00:16:56,810 --> 00:17:01,130 have me handcuffed and crucified, basically chained up like this with my 257 00:17:01,130 --> 00:17:02,130 out. 258 00:17:02,750 --> 00:17:08,569 And he told Supreme that as payback, he had to hit me several times across the 259 00:17:08,569 --> 00:17:09,930 head, unprotected with a chair. 260 00:17:10,829 --> 00:17:12,510 And I had no idea it was coming. 261 00:17:17,730 --> 00:17:24,630 And next thing you know, one shot turns 262 00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:26,290 to two, two shots turn to three. 263 00:17:28,430 --> 00:17:31,530 Probably cracking my skull. I didn't go to doctor because I didn't have health 264 00:17:31,530 --> 00:17:34,310 insurance, but I have a really big indention from those chair shots in my 265 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,900 So I remember they were like, you're very bad concussed. You can't go to 266 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,160 You got to sit up. And sitting in a hotel room after, just miserable. My 267 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,320 pounding. I'm throwing up. I kind of have no idea where I'm at. I'm wondering 268 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,560 I'm going to die. And this is all because of some goddamn idiot who knows 269 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,420 nothing about wrestling thinks I needed to pay for putting my hand up on a chair 270 00:17:55,420 --> 00:17:59,780 shot. With mounting injuries and a waning interest in performing for 271 00:17:59,780 --> 00:18:04,780 bloodthirsty crowds, the Messiah is forced to reconsider his future in the 272 00:18:04,780 --> 00:18:05,780 company. 273 00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:09,900 I just went to Rob. I had the belts with me and I went, I'm done. 274 00:18:10,140 --> 00:18:11,900 I'm done. My body's beat up. 275 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:15,680 He just looked at me and he went, okay, if you're done, I'm done. 276 00:18:17,300 --> 00:18:20,300 I'm like, wait, what? He goes, if you don't want to do this anymore, I don't 277 00:18:20,300 --> 00:18:21,259 want to do this anymore. 278 00:18:21,260 --> 00:18:22,260 It's that simple. 279 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:23,600 I'm finished. 280 00:18:24,380 --> 00:18:27,600 And I know he would never have stopped doing XPW because I left. 281 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:29,520 I know that never would have happened. 282 00:18:30,060 --> 00:18:31,180 Honestly, I got played. 283 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:33,859 That's what happened. 284 00:18:33,860 --> 00:18:37,620 I remember talking to Lizzie about it and Lizzie, Essentially, he said, that's 285 00:18:37,620 --> 00:18:38,620 what he does. 286 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,840 Lizzie said, you've done that to me, too. 287 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,160 Even when it came to, like, Lizzie Borden and I. 288 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,920 Lizzie said, Rob wants me to flirt with guys. 289 00:18:47,180 --> 00:18:48,180 I was like, why? 290 00:18:48,620 --> 00:18:50,460 I don't know. He just likes it. 291 00:18:50,700 --> 00:18:53,300 You know, I think Rob liked having the hot girlfriend. 292 00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:54,860 I think he was really cute. 293 00:18:55,420 --> 00:18:57,340 Keep your top on, though. I'm trying, hon. 294 00:18:57,780 --> 00:19:01,320 You can't have her, but, you know, she's flirting with you, but it doesn't mean 295 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:02,320 she wants you. 296 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:04,139 That's good. 297 00:19:04,140 --> 00:19:05,560 And Rob, you know. 298 00:19:05,950 --> 00:19:08,750 Rob was getting, like, you know, BJs, like, every other day. 299 00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:14,170 You know, he'd tell the girl that was doing it that he's filming it for 300 00:19:14,170 --> 00:19:16,010 title, Cocksmokers. That was the other one. 301 00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:19,830 I know she would get jealous of some of the girls that, you know, were rumored 302 00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:20,830 to have been with Rob. 303 00:19:21,690 --> 00:19:25,910 Whenever they had an argument, she would just show up at my house. And I think I 304 00:19:25,910 --> 00:19:32,570 got caught in the crosshairs of something that was going on between 305 00:19:32,570 --> 00:19:33,570 Rob. 306 00:19:34,490 --> 00:19:36,570 And I was used as like a chess piece. 307 00:19:38,130 --> 00:19:39,510 How beautiful you are. 308 00:19:39,850 --> 00:19:41,590 Robert, I have to go flip me. Don't. 309 00:19:41,950 --> 00:19:44,610 Please don't. Let's see your poopy. 310 00:19:45,090 --> 00:19:47,270 You want, what, you want me to do a porno? 311 00:19:49,030 --> 00:19:50,230 Spooky. I'm going to do a movie. 312 00:19:50,590 --> 00:19:52,350 Why can't you not? I want to do a movie. 313 00:19:53,930 --> 00:19:54,930 Oh, really? 314 00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:58,310 So, who can I do it with? 315 00:19:59,090 --> 00:20:00,090 No one. 316 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:06,280 So why would you? 317 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,600 I think when it came to me, things got taken too far. 318 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:13,800 They just got taken too far. 319 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,120 That was the story I remember hearing, that the Messiah and Lizzie Borden had 320 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:20,220 something going on. 321 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,680 And then I remember Supreme, we would always just say, no, no way, no way. He 322 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,700 wouldn't mess this up. We all love this wrestling thing. We're all trying to 323 00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:29,700 make a go at it. 324 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:30,720 So what happened? 325 00:20:32,620 --> 00:20:34,900 Yeah, unfortunately, Lizzie and I ended up hooking up. 326 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,920 You know, and I knew it was bad news as soon as it happened. 327 00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:41,460 I figured Rod didn't care who killed this girl. 328 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,620 But he said, as long as it's on film, he don't care. It's behind his back, he 329 00:20:45,620 --> 00:20:46,980 cares. And I don't blame him. 330 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:49,880 So he wanted to kill her. 331 00:20:55,850 --> 00:21:01,390 When Rettler the Messiah fails to show for an XPW event, rumors of his affair 332 00:21:01,390 --> 00:21:05,730 with Lizzie Borden begin to circulate. There was a house show we were going to 333 00:21:05,730 --> 00:21:06,730 do in our warehouse. 334 00:21:07,370 --> 00:21:14,150 And from what I understand, Sabu showed up and the Messiah didn't. I didn't tell 335 00:21:14,150 --> 00:21:17,690 Supreme or Chaos or any of those guys what was going on. Those would have been 336 00:21:17,690 --> 00:21:18,690 the guys I would have told. 337 00:21:18,810 --> 00:21:19,810 So how did it come out? 338 00:21:20,810 --> 00:21:23,450 It just come out. Rob found out. 339 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,280 And they go, it comes out like, hey, yeah, he was the boss's wife. 340 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,440 And we were our jaw dropped. Like, really? 341 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,420 Why would he mess up this XPW thing, man? Like, why would he do that? 342 00:21:35,060 --> 00:21:36,860 Like, are you fucked up? 343 00:21:38,220 --> 00:21:39,860 I slept with Billy, too. 344 00:21:41,460 --> 00:21:43,300 They got around all of them. 345 00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:47,940 Rob Black and Lizzie Borden's relationship survives the affair. 346 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,340 But the Messiah is promptly exiled from XPW. 347 00:21:55,520 --> 00:22:00,540 And so the Messiah was written out of the company through a bizarre storyline 348 00:22:00,540 --> 00:22:03,580 that happened with an apparition out in the warehouse. 349 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,360 Messiah, you can't go. 350 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,120 I need you tonight. 351 00:22:07,460 --> 00:22:10,440 Everything is on the line. What are you thinking? 352 00:22:10,780 --> 00:22:12,520 What are you thinking? 353 00:22:12,740 --> 00:22:18,400 The Messiah has come and gone. 354 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:21,880 He went to heaven. 355 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,180 That was what they explained to him to go away. 356 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:27,100 Another lame hit, you know, for the company. 357 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,440 This ain't funny. 358 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,500 You got, I don't know what the fuck I was doing, man. 359 00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:39,560 I had a conversation with Rob where he basically just threatened me on the 360 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,340 and essentially like gave me a countdown. 361 00:22:41,540 --> 00:22:42,540 Three days. 362 00:22:42,660 --> 00:22:43,940 You got three days to live. 363 00:22:45,700 --> 00:22:47,580 You know, this is what I'm going to do for you, Billy. 364 00:22:47,980 --> 00:22:50,480 I'm going to buy you a plane ticket to Michigan and you get out of California. 365 00:22:51,420 --> 00:22:52,420 I'm not running. 366 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,960 That's the exact words I told him. I'm not running. 367 00:22:56,340 --> 00:23:02,180 With the loss of one of XPW's biggest attractions, Rob Black looks to stage 368 00:23:02,180 --> 00:23:07,200 most ambitious spectacle yet with a high -stakes match between New Jack and Vic 369 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,660 Grimes. Unbeknownst to Grimes, New Jack aims to retaliate against him for a 370 00:23:12,660 --> 00:23:16,580 fractured skull he suffered in a previous match two years earlier. 371 00:23:16,820 --> 00:23:19,360 See here, I can get away with murder. 372 00:23:20,380 --> 00:23:26,500 Murder. I mean real murder. And that's what I'm getting ready to do. Whose idea 373 00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:27,920 was it to do that scaffold match? 374 00:23:28,860 --> 00:23:29,860 Rob Black. 375 00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:33,380 He told me that Jack was going to do a scaffold match. 376 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,060 The loser gets thrown off. I'm going to flip a coin. 377 00:23:36,570 --> 00:23:39,370 I said, Rob, you can flip a coin all day long. 378 00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:44,230 Vic is getting thrown off the scaffolding. I said, I'm not taking that 379 00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:46,310 Vic. All right. 380 00:23:47,250 --> 00:23:48,250 Listen to me. 381 00:23:48,650 --> 00:23:53,810 Change the stipulations a little bit, all right? We need to spice this shit 382 00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:59,370 The freefall event was a colossal undertaking, to say the least. 383 00:23:59,970 --> 00:24:03,270 Everyone was under the assumption that scaffolding was going to be used for 384 00:24:03,270 --> 00:24:04,710 cameramen, including the building. 385 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,420 If I had gone about the insurance the normal way a lot of companies do, it 386 00:24:10,420 --> 00:24:15,780 probably would have been pretty difficult. So to bypass a lot of that, I 387 00:24:15,780 --> 00:24:21,340 just make up the insurance waivers on my computer. I remember finding an old 388 00:24:21,340 --> 00:24:26,600 insurance certificate that they had used prior, and I scanned it and I whited 389 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,480 out some certain things, and then I just typed up who needed coverage. 390 00:24:31,260 --> 00:24:34,520 I faxed them the certificate that I made. 391 00:24:35,130 --> 00:24:38,970 And I got a call saying, just got the insurance. We're good to go on the show. 392 00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:41,010 So wait a minute. 393 00:24:41,270 --> 00:24:43,790 There wasn't actually insurance for the event? 394 00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:47,630 Yeah. Look at this, Grimes! Grimes is starting! 395 00:24:47,950 --> 00:24:50,150 And yes, yes, they're both going up! 396 00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:53,890 You know, and that damn thing looked rickety. It's not meant to have two big 397 00:24:53,890 --> 00:24:56,330 guys up there bumping and fighting. 398 00:24:56,530 --> 00:24:59,610 I remember seeing the thing and it's kind of shifting back and forth and I'm 399 00:24:59,610 --> 00:25:00,650 just like, holy shit. 400 00:25:01,010 --> 00:25:02,210 And the crowd went, oh! 401 00:25:03,210 --> 00:25:08,030 Oh, and I could see the scaffolding swaying. What the hell is going to 402 00:25:08,210 --> 00:25:13,230 And just watching everything going on, just crossing my fingers. Please, God, 403 00:25:13,390 --> 00:25:15,090 please have mercy on their souls. 404 00:25:15,370 --> 00:25:19,610 And I hear the crowd gasping and I look up and New Jack's got a stun gun. 405 00:25:20,050 --> 00:25:21,370 Oh, look at this. 406 00:25:21,570 --> 00:25:25,790 I could not believe it. And I was just like, it's going to be over soon. It's 407 00:25:25,790 --> 00:25:27,550 going to be over soon. No, please don't. 408 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,800 I'll never forget just, like, the look on Vic's face when he was just coming 409 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,720 down, and it just looked like pure terror. 410 00:25:36,980 --> 00:25:38,540 It was really an intense moment. 411 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:45,220 But as he turned over, his legs hit the ring ropes and flipped him back into the 412 00:25:45,220 --> 00:25:49,540 ring. If it had hit his butt, he would have slid out onto the concrete. 413 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,360 His bitch ass would have hit the goddamn boat and flatted like an egg. 414 00:25:58,060 --> 00:25:59,200 That was a little... 415 00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:11,380 What was the reaction from Rob Black? 416 00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:14,980 Oh, he was like, Jack, that was great. I loved it. That was great. Thank you. 417 00:26:15,020 --> 00:26:16,020 Here's the bonus. 418 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,680 So he paid me. 419 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:25,960 So I did my last show, which was with Vic Grimes. 420 00:26:26,460 --> 00:26:29,300 Once I got him, I felt like mission accomplished. 421 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:30,940 I was done. 422 00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:33,500 So I left. 423 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,640 With New Jack's departure, Rob Black loses another big star. 424 00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:48,760 To make matters worse, the Messiah publicly admits to his affair with 425 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,090 Borden. boasting about it at a show in Southern California. 426 00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:56,850 I was told by people at the Extreme Associates office that Rob was keeping 427 00:26:56,850 --> 00:27:00,270 on me, that he knew and was aware of everything I was doing. 428 00:27:00,610 --> 00:27:04,330 I then started getting very resentful. 429 00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:13,850 I know in Rob's mind, you weren't supposed to 430 00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:14,990 hear about me ever again. 431 00:27:15,490 --> 00:27:18,310 In my mind, stuffing it down Rob's throat. 432 00:27:19,210 --> 00:27:20,470 And I was happy to do it. 433 00:27:21,790 --> 00:27:27,150 The whole entire place started chanting, you have to Lizzie. 434 00:27:30,290 --> 00:27:37,290 Me being in my 23 -year -old frame of mind, I yelled, 435 00:27:37,410 --> 00:27:44,390 I wasn't the most smartest thing I've ever done. 436 00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:48,570 Because up to that point, I'd always just denied it. 437 00:27:48,990 --> 00:27:52,090 But I remember saying like, man, Billy, like, hey, just let it go, bro. 438 00:27:52,570 --> 00:27:54,830 Like, let it go. Like, like he fired you. 439 00:27:55,150 --> 00:27:58,670 You the boss's wife. Like, you guys are even. Just let it go. 440 00:27:59,230 --> 00:28:02,070 If you're going to tell me I can't do something, you're going to threaten me. 441 00:28:02,650 --> 00:28:04,090 I'm going to prove to you that I can do it. 442 00:28:04,330 --> 00:28:06,150 I'm going to show you that I'm not scared of you. 443 00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:14,890 With the Messiah's outspoken bravado and XPW's diminishing attendance. 444 00:28:15,940 --> 00:28:18,540 Rob Black's frustration intensifies. 445 00:28:19,060 --> 00:28:20,460 XPW had put on a show. 446 00:28:20,660 --> 00:28:23,860 I purposely sit up in the nosebleed section. 447 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,420 The match wasn't very good. The crowd started throwing like around a beach 448 00:28:28,420 --> 00:28:29,540 and chanting beach ball. 449 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,020 You know, the beach ball would get snatched. You know, the crowd would go, 450 00:28:33,780 --> 00:28:35,700 The crowd was not being receptive. 451 00:28:36,140 --> 00:28:38,240 I guess Rob found out I was there. 452 00:28:38,580 --> 00:28:42,340 And I was told he threw a temper tantrum backstage. 453 00:28:42,860 --> 00:28:44,660 My phone rings inside of my teeth. 454 00:28:45,490 --> 00:28:46,910 Hey, you need to leave. 455 00:28:47,790 --> 00:28:49,050 Wait, why do I need to leave? 456 00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:54,990 Rob is pissed off and he's yelling at all of us because you're here. 457 00:28:57,250 --> 00:28:58,830 I hung up the phone and we left. 458 00:29:00,930 --> 00:29:02,330 I mean, we left. That was it. 459 00:29:08,970 --> 00:29:10,130 I just got home from work. 460 00:29:10,770 --> 00:29:13,790 I just bought a Nintendo GameCube, so I was going to play some video games. 461 00:29:14,430 --> 00:29:18,350 The front door opens, and these two guys walk in. 462 00:29:19,090 --> 00:29:23,170 I immediately assumed they were with my roommate, so I didn't think anything of 463 00:29:23,170 --> 00:29:24,250 it. I even said, hey, what's up? 464 00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:28,050 I can see the reflection off the TV of the two guys. 465 00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:35,110 I see the one guy lock the door, and then I see both of them going, you get 466 00:29:35,170 --> 00:29:36,170 No, you get him. 467 00:29:36,430 --> 00:29:42,430 And I turn like this to then confront them, and then, boom, they just jumped 468 00:29:42,430 --> 00:29:43,430 me. 469 00:29:45,940 --> 00:29:50,120 One of them got me in a chokehold, but I knew he didn't have it in right. 470 00:29:51,460 --> 00:29:55,620 I get choked out all the time, and I knew what a chokehold felt like. 471 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,920 One of them got my hand down, and the other one had flippers. 472 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:09,820 And got it around my thumb, and then snapped it, and the thumb popped right 473 00:30:11,060 --> 00:30:12,220 Then they went to my other hand. 474 00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:13,590 And I kept it in a fist. 475 00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:17,370 So they couldn't get it and they started pounding on my hand to open up my fist. 476 00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:19,070 And I wouldn't do it. 477 00:30:20,250 --> 00:30:23,850 We had like a little fish tank and busted it over my head. 478 00:30:26,290 --> 00:30:28,510 They were trying, I think, to knock me out. 479 00:30:28,770 --> 00:30:34,310 I was able to get to the door without having my thumb. 480 00:30:35,030 --> 00:30:37,010 It was like I was waving at the lock. 481 00:30:40,530 --> 00:30:41,690 So they got me. 482 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,280 Pulled me back in. 483 00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:48,000 They just got on top of me and started, like, you know, punching me in the face 484 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,240 or punching me anywhere. 485 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:56,100 By this point, both of them are gassed out and tired. 486 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,520 One of them threw a punch at me. 487 00:31:02,540 --> 00:31:08,080 I got him in an arm bar and just wrenched on it, and he screamed. 488 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:15,740 When he screamed, I let go, made it to the door, was able to unlock the door at 489 00:31:15,740 --> 00:31:20,600 that point, and the door just flew open, and they both ran out. 490 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:29,720 Got a couple of ice, and then began to try to search for my thumb, 491 00:31:29,820 --> 00:31:35,680 but it was hard to find anything, and I couldn't locate it, and then I think I 492 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:36,680 just passed out. 493 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,760 While the Messiah was fighting off home invaders, his XPW colleagues were 494 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,260 unaware his life was in serious danger. 495 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:58,000 On this particular night, GQ Money and I, we're going to film a segment for XPW 496 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,200 TV, and then all of a sudden there's a knock on the door. 497 00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:02,640 Go open the door. 498 00:32:03,380 --> 00:32:04,420 It's Rob Black. 499 00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:06,900 What is Rob Black doing here? 500 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,900 Rob Black has never been here. 501 00:32:09,380 --> 00:32:10,540 Why is he here? 502 00:32:11,940 --> 00:32:16,700 And he was not the Rob Black that we knew. He kind of just sat on the couch. 503 00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:17,700 I was like, why are you here? 504 00:32:18,260 --> 00:32:19,260 Why are you here? 505 00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:21,840 I had no clue. I woke up the next morning. 506 00:32:22,180 --> 00:32:26,720 Billy said two black guys came into his house, and there was a fight. 507 00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:29,700 To this day, I don't know if they were after to kill him or what they were 508 00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:32,520 to do. But a lot of us were just in shock and awe. 509 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,800 And, you know, it's like, and then the rumors started flying, the speculation. 510 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,540 I remember how I first saw it. It was on America's Most Wanted. 511 00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:46,200 And I remember I was sitting with my husband and I go, holy shit, that's 512 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,100 Messiah. Oh my God, they cut off his thumb. What's going on? What's going on? 513 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,580 But who would want the Messiah hurt for real? 514 00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:59,760 To answer that, cops have been delving into the secretive and sometimes bleezy 515 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,280 subculture of indie wrestling. 516 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:07,040 I remember looking at my husband and going, we all know who did this. We all 517 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,500 know who's behind it, but we can't do nothing. And I can't prove it. 518 00:33:10,969 --> 00:33:13,670 What's going on? What's happening? Is that true? 519 00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:18,410 Really? Rob Black has something to do with it? No, come on. And I actually 520 00:33:18,410 --> 00:33:19,730 Rob about it one day. 521 00:33:21,670 --> 00:33:22,670 Oh, 522 00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:31,970 man, did you do that? 523 00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:36,050 He was like, oh, no, Jack, I had nothing to do with that. 524 00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:39,080 You know, there's speculation. I don't know who did it. I know that Billy said 525 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,740 it was two black guys, you know, that physically did it. 526 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:48,100 After this had happened, I remember Rob Black saying, watch out who you hang out 527 00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:50,020 with. You might get your arm chopped off. 528 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:51,720 What does that mean? 529 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,460 Be careful who you're hanging around with. You know what I mean? Like, 530 00:33:55,460 --> 00:33:57,140 he was pissed that we were still friends with Messiah. 531 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,920 Oh, yeah, 100%. He was pissed that we weren't like that guy. You know what I 532 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,200 mean? I actually ended up leaving, I would say, within a couple weeks to a 533 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,039 after that. 534 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,800 It wasn't fun when people were going, one thumb up, or trying to shake your 535 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,420 and going like that instead of the normal, and laughing about it. 536 00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:17,620 There's no proof, and this is just one girl talking. 537 00:34:19,219 --> 00:34:21,080 We all think Rob had something to do with it. 538 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:32,739 The biggest thing I could do, 539 00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:34,340 in my opinion, 540 00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:40,179 was to go back doing what I love, which was wrestling. 541 00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:41,860 And that's what I did. 542 00:34:42,219 --> 00:34:47,199 And everybody in this arena, get a good look, because this is no work. 543 00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:54,060 I have no thumb, and I don't give a shit, because I can still open beer, 544 00:34:54,060 --> 00:35:00,120 play video games, and still write a telegram to anybody I want to. 545 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,640 With no evidence linking Rob Black to the assault on the Messiah, he is never 546 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,600 charged. However, he and Lizzie begin to draw the attention of federal 547 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,200 authorities for posturing in the media about pushing legal boundaries with 548 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:19,760 latest adult films. A girl being kidnapped, being forced to have sex, 549 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,920 butchered at the end, and spit on. She's being degraded. 550 00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:28,430 We're known for all the taboo stuff that everyone said you can't do, and we do 551 00:35:28,430 --> 00:35:31,890 it, and we sell it, and people are entertained because people are bored 552 00:35:31,890 --> 00:35:32,609 other stuff. 553 00:35:32,610 --> 00:35:39,350 They were doing such extreme stuff, and I wasn't into it, and it 554 00:35:39,350 --> 00:35:40,850 wasn't where I wanted to go. 555 00:35:41,490 --> 00:35:45,810 And so I finally just said, you know, hey, Rob, this is where it ends. 556 00:35:46,170 --> 00:35:49,210 I watch Nightline all the time. This is Nightline. 557 00:35:49,490 --> 00:35:52,190 And just on random day. 558 00:35:52,930 --> 00:35:57,950 Rob's against Ted Koppel. He was trying to justify the lewd acts that were in 559 00:35:57,950 --> 00:35:59,950 these videos against freedom of speech. 560 00:36:00,530 --> 00:36:04,790 And John Ashcroft, the Attorney General of the United States at that point, was 561 00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:05,910 coming after him. 562 00:36:06,590 --> 00:36:12,630 We're not drug dealers or murderers, you know. We make movies. 563 00:36:12,990 --> 00:36:17,910 Rob always wanted to be like Hugh Hefner or Larry Flint. We make movies. 564 00:36:18,460 --> 00:36:20,040 Just like Hollywood makes movies. 565 00:36:20,260 --> 00:36:23,560 Just like... Well, no, they're not just like Hollywood makes movies. 566 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,420 In your movies, women are brutally raped. They're actually beat up. I'm 567 00:36:28,420 --> 00:36:29,620 for your First Amendment right. 568 00:36:30,980 --> 00:36:32,840 And he wasn't. He was fighting for himself. 569 00:36:34,540 --> 00:36:38,880 Zachary, quote, issued a challenge to Attorney General Ashcroft and said that 570 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,840 Ashcroft, quote, could not do anything about his film. 571 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,560 And I'm at home. 572 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:44,760 I'm like... 573 00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:49,030 You're challenging John Ashcroft? You're challenging the United States 574 00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:52,750 government? Like, why would you do that? Why would anyone do that? 575 00:36:53,010 --> 00:36:55,570 There was a time when there was a meeting in Rob's office. 576 00:36:55,950 --> 00:37:00,290 Rob stood up from his desk and said, hey, when we get raided by the Fed, 577 00:37:00,470 --> 00:37:02,010 everyone report to Kevin. 578 00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:04,510 That's who's going to get information. 579 00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:05,910 That's who you need to speak to. 580 00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:09,130 When we get raided by the Fed? 581 00:37:09,870 --> 00:37:12,410 It wasn't if. It was when. 582 00:37:13,050 --> 00:37:18,130 I remember the morning of the postal raid at Extreme Associates. 583 00:37:18,670 --> 00:37:22,790 We figured out what was going on because everyone was wearing United States 584 00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:26,610 Postal Service, kind of like the CIA or FBI jackets you see in movies and 585 00:37:26,610 --> 00:37:31,290 television. And we put two and two together and figured out that the 586 00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:33,470 somehow, someway figured out how to get robbed. 587 00:37:36,530 --> 00:37:40,210 How can you go on network television and... 588 00:37:40,750 --> 00:37:41,750 Challenge the government. 589 00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:42,990 Like, who does that? 590 00:37:43,330 --> 00:37:44,330 And he did. 591 00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:45,830 And he got popped for it. 592 00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:55,050 They had to go after me first because I had the biggest mouth. 593 00:37:55,570 --> 00:38:01,210 You can't start a war on pornography unless you go after the person that is 594 00:38:01,210 --> 00:38:05,910 defying you the most. Right here is the federal five. 595 00:38:06,110 --> 00:38:09,820 These are the five tapes that could... Put me in jail forever. 596 00:38:10,540 --> 00:38:15,560 I was really interested on where it was going to go because I thought that's a 597 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:16,920 brilliant question. 598 00:38:17,140 --> 00:38:22,180 Like who in government is going to decide what's decent or indecent between 599 00:38:22,180 --> 00:38:23,180 paid actors? 600 00:38:23,460 --> 00:38:27,340 But I mean, it was like Rob knew what he was doing and he knew that legally you 601 00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:31,140 cannot have someone sit there and my 13 year old ass. You can't do it. 602 00:38:31,420 --> 00:38:34,780 But he didn't care. The funny thing about my business. 603 00:38:35,340 --> 00:38:37,220 is I don't force it on anybody. 604 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,860 The only people that are going to be forced to watch my movies are the 12 605 00:38:41,860 --> 00:38:43,000 that sit in that jury. 606 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:48,880 Facing multiple charges for violating federal obscenity statutes, Rob Black 607 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,940 Lizzie Borden face 50 years in prison and millions in fines. 608 00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:58,840 The legal battle quickly consumes all of Rob Black's resources, spelling the end 609 00:38:58,840 --> 00:38:59,840 of XPW. 610 00:39:00,020 --> 00:39:03,120 There were times when there would just be a month. 611 00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:05,130 of talent check bouncing. 612 00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:08,050 And there would be 20 people in the lobby pissed off. 613 00:39:08,850 --> 00:39:11,710 And literally everyone with a check in their hand. 614 00:39:12,410 --> 00:39:12,970 It 615 00:39:12,970 --> 00:39:20,110 killed 616 00:39:20,110 --> 00:39:26,930 the whole business because all the lawyer fees and 617 00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:31,270 can't produce movies, can't pay wrestlers, you can't pay actors, can't 618 00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:36,160 actresses. I think he ultimately thought that the adult industry would, you 619 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,400 know, come to his support. 620 00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:40,700 And they saw through his BS. 621 00:39:41,020 --> 00:39:44,380 He should have known it then, but he definitely knows it now. Dude, the 622 00:39:44,380 --> 00:39:48,840 government, they got more money, they got more lawyers, and they got more 623 00:39:49,740 --> 00:39:55,780 These charges were getting dropped and dropped and dropped, and one finally 624 00:39:55,780 --> 00:39:56,780 stuck. 625 00:39:57,020 --> 00:40:02,000 Unable to mount a costly defense, Rob and Lizzie opt to plead guilty to a 626 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,200 charge of conspiracy to distribute obscene materials. 627 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,360 I believe he got a year and a day, if I'm not mistaken. 628 00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:13,140 I remember when I heard that Rob and Lizzie were thrown in jail. I kind of 629 00:40:13,140 --> 00:40:16,880 bad for Lizzie because it's like, you know, she wasn't the most innocent, 630 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,540 thing in the world either. But I think she went down just because her name was 631 00:40:20,540 --> 00:40:21,540 on the title. 632 00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:25,060 I thought he got what he deserved, not because of what happened to me. 633 00:40:25,660 --> 00:40:32,080 but to go on TV and ask the government, yeah, yeah, come, come at me, 634 00:40:32,140 --> 00:40:33,140 do it. 635 00:40:33,620 --> 00:40:37,220 Just the ego, the absolute ego. 636 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:43,600 After serving his time, Rob Black leaves the world of wrestling behind, and his 637 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,400 relationship with Lizzie would also come to an end. 638 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,480 You know, I've asked myself over the years, it's been almost 20 years, and 639 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,240 asked myself, if I could do it again, would I? 640 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:55,160 Yeah. 641 00:40:56,210 --> 00:40:59,430 Yes. Every part of it, even the bad times, I would. Yes. 642 00:40:59,690 --> 00:41:01,170 Of course I'd go back. 643 00:41:01,730 --> 00:41:04,910 Because we had something incredibly special there. 644 00:41:05,150 --> 00:41:08,870 I mean, it wasn't just the wrestlers, and it wasn't just Rob Black. It was a 645 00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:11,570 combination of everything that made the magic. 646 00:41:11,890 --> 00:41:14,710 Everybody wanted the show to succeed. 647 00:41:15,610 --> 00:41:19,610 Now I'm in Hollywood. Now I'm living my dream, and I have the greatest job in 648 00:41:19,610 --> 00:41:23,070 the world, and that might not have happened if I wasn't in XPW. 649 00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:29,070 That time is incredibly important to me. All of the situations that, you know, 650 00:41:29,070 --> 00:41:31,670 involved in the friendships that are still happening to this day. 651 00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:36,610 Me and Sylvia, we actually got married at a pro wrestling show. 652 00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:39,390 We're actually celebrating our nine -year anniversary next week. 653 00:41:39,850 --> 00:41:43,670 We are like peanut butter and jelly. We just love wrestling, and that's all we 654 00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:49,970 do. So my uncle, Supreme, the people just really loved him. 655 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:54,760 You know, unfortunately, he passed away last May 6th. 656 00:41:55,380 --> 00:41:59,340 There's just a lot of, like, love, like, when he passed away, just a lot of 657 00:41:59,340 --> 00:42:05,560 love, like, that people just messaging and just talking about him and just, I 658 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:12,360 know it really touched me, but I just so wish, I just so wish that, like, people 659 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:17,120 would have let him know when he was alive because he loved that shit. Like, 660 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,280 doesn't? But, man, without Supreme, 661 00:42:20,190 --> 00:42:21,530 I'd have never been a wrestler whatsoever. 662 00:42:22,290 --> 00:42:25,530 I don't know what I'd be doing. I'd be driving a truck, I guess. I don't know. 663 00:42:26,330 --> 00:42:28,250 Embracing now with his uncle Supreme. 664 00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:34,950 I would not change one thing from the simple fact of all of that led me to my 665 00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:36,990 wife, and now I have my two daughters. 666 00:42:37,710 --> 00:42:39,210 So it was all worth it in my eyes. 667 00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:43,970 Because at the end of the day, Messiah means nothing. 668 00:42:44,830 --> 00:42:49,010 Once I walk through that door at home, I'm just dad and husband. 669 00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:51,680 And that's the most important thing to me. 670 00:42:51,940 --> 00:42:57,740 What we're doing right now, we'll put XCW back on the map for a few months. 671 00:42:58,180 --> 00:43:02,800 But it ain't nothing that they did that'd be like, oh, that'll go down in 672 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:03,800 history. 673 00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:05,860 Besides me throwing big grinds on the scale. 674 00:43:07,220 --> 00:43:10,720 As far as I know, Rob is happily married. He has a couple kids. 675 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,660 And I think he's running a hamburger shop back east somewhere. I'm not quite 676 00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:20,090 sure where. But I always wonder, like, does... If he could come back, would he? 677 00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:24,790 And I don't know. I have no idea who the Rob Black is nowadays, or who Robert 678 00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:25,790 Sicari is nowadays. 679 00:43:26,070 --> 00:43:28,170 Because I wonder, is he still Rob Black? 680 00:43:29,330 --> 00:43:30,330 And action. 681 00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:31,970 Honey, why are you so upset? 682 00:43:32,310 --> 00:43:33,350 Everything's going to be okay. 683 00:43:34,970 --> 00:43:36,490 They turned the backs on me. 684 00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:38,110 I'm playing with dolls. 685 00:43:38,410 --> 00:43:40,850 I'm done with all that. It's going to be a new me. 686 00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:43,990 People are going to regret what they did to me. 687 00:43:45,310 --> 00:43:46,610 What are you talking about? 688 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,360 You'll see. 689 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,400 You'll see. 690 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,180 I ate something drunk. 691 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,680 I'm dying over here. 692 00:43:56,540 --> 00:43:58,240 Turn your backs on him. 693 00:44:01,940 --> 00:44:02,940 Cut.